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world's most important events -JARGON in the future there will be far more livelihoods than jobs- english language including teachers, bankers, professions and leaders havent caught up with this yet- hence we too use word jobs interchangably except in
specific livelihood references like these 1 2? why shouldnt every youth have a youth ali or efounder in china 1 2 ?
welcome to WorldRecordJobs- here are #TheEconomist NormanMacrae end poverty cooperation blog's mapping tags
WomensJack Ma livelihoods.
.Sample of world record jobs profiles and 13 most energetic world trade maps

#BR6 USA, Ca

Elon Musk

Jerry Yang

Bejos & Leonis

Quadirs & BRAC

Berners Lee & MIT


#BR5 W Euro

Prince Charles

Pope Francis


Danny Alexander

BBC nature

#BR4 E Euro



Schwab IR4

#BR3 Russia


#BR2 S Asia

Sir Fazle Abed


CK Prahalad decesased

#BE1 Far East

CEO soiftbank


Moon Jae-In

#BR12 UN+..........................................

Guterres ; Jack Ma ,

Melinda Gates; heads of UNCTAD, UNHABITAT and UNGA; Jim Kim WB

#BR11 Arctic Circle........................


Latin America,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Paulo Freire

#BR9 Africa.........................

#BR8 Med Sea

#BR7 Mid East & Stans................................

Sheikha Moza

Queen Rania

Founding family Dubai Supercity

#BR0 China Xi Jinping , Jin Liquin, Leaders of baidu ten cent (Ma see BR12)

download this map to choose 13 vantage points to play BeltRoadImagineering from and to swap notes on which regions world records jos creators you can linkin.

.rsvp .2022-2015 .2015-2008. 2008-2001.. 2001-1994..1994-1987..1987-1980.1980-1973 1973-19661966-19591959-19521952-1945
worldwide.. .sustainability goals unite nations USA and developed nations subprime world devaluing youth opportunities in west 9/11 in wast china enters wto.; worldwide smart mobile to be universal. first access to solar in mobile phones among villagers in third of world with no electricity grids.appearance of www in vision of computers = personal networking.fifth of humans in china start trading worldwide for first time in 110 years after refusing to trade opium with brits 1860 joy to fear: moon landing oil future shocks1966-19591959-19521952-1945
.girl empowering bangladesh, & global partners of edu for youth 1 .first meet between girl's 2 most hopefule networks brac's bkash and Ma's ant finance .tech wizard partners of brac develop girl's and the world's largest cashless bank bkash Yunus Nobeled ...Sir Fazle Knighted.. 2001-1994..1994-1987..1987-1980.... 1973-19661966-19591959-19521952-1945
.china and oriental world trade routes. .100+ national leaders see china as more real host of sustainability goal race than any other single nation .tech wizards prevent china's economic growth being stalled by wall streets attempt to collapse global markets and youth's sustainability livelihoods- digital culture is navigated by xi jinping so that by 2017 china is creating 5 million startups mapped across supercioties- a digital belt road inside china matching his launch of physical Belt Roads wherever nations want long-term win-win trading partnerships and youth sustainability china suddenly decides to let youth linkin 3 internet ecosystems BAT with ecommerce and mobile cash celebrated as greatest millennials innovations .. 2001-1994..1994-1987..1987-1980.... 1973-19661966-19591959-19521952-1945

UN Guterres changing refugees world 1 2 3 4 5

2 views of what happened between 1500 and 1946:

It was good that some people (about a fifth of the human race) found ways to be up to 200 times more productive than ever before

It is tragic that the fifth did this in ways (slavery, colonization, seizing others natural resources) that excluded the four fifths

Common sense as well as natures evolutionary laws Both ways unite round one urgent vision- we must celebrate every way of changing value chains that includes the four fifths

World Record Jobs Researchers feature known way of changing value chains to maximise youth livelihoods and sustainability generation

1 Bangladesh shows us the elast controversial celebration of all – it changes disaster relief, development, ais and charity so the poorest village mothers built their own community services- they did this between 1972 and 1996 with no electricity and solely with trust in girl power; from 1996 tech partners including mobile and solar have helped them design the most extraordinary leapfrog models

celebrate technologists applying big-data-small wizardry to celebrate enterprise sustaining those with the least (or facing the most severe climate or other sustainability crises) – eg alumni circles of jack ma

.help map future of china as world largest friendly nation since 1977 :: join our linkedin survey 100 world record jobs - post-colonial model in which nation's people grow exponentially through win-win trades with other peoples? (special feature muhammad yunus
If you are interested in youth livelihood co-creation help us blog guides to inter-regional world records jobs creators BR0 china BR1 rest far east and asean and pacific south including OZ and NZ BR2 S Asia including Bangladesh BR3 russia BR4 east euro BR5 west euro BR6 north america BR7 stans and middle east and suez or gulf facing BR8 med sea facing BR9 africa BR10 latin america BRUN Uniting Nations BRIC InterCity- InterCommunity (see goal 11 maps especially by UNHabitat's new leader former female mayor of Penang)
Be prepared each couplet is a very different journey - for example BR0-BR2 -almost half the world's people need sustainability from this region which is perhaps 10% of the planet's land and already mixes the most and least advances tech societies on earth. In the middle of mediating this are the world's poorest women as well as hopefully the most heroic technologists - Nilekani? Ma? Abed-Quadir-Gates?
GLOBAL JACK MA: Which of 10 regions beyond China Can Jack Ma learn with most given his urgent worldwide collaborations such as ... MA fall018 survey ma blockchain -china poverty thinktanks and who else rsvp

MA0 Fintech for billion poorest? Fintech for SMEecommerce markets; ecommerce training with chinas major belt road partners – understand regional clusters eg SCO, Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, Belt Road summit may 2019

MA1 Road to olympics- celebrating community participation markets that commerce alone cant reach BR1 Japan2020; BRO Beijing2022; BR5 Paris2024; BR1 Korea2018
MA2 By March 2019 UN report for Guterres with Melinda Gates on digital collaboration
MA3 Forming Alibaba global business school includes training big data small coders from developing nations- main scout head of UNCTAD- but how do we help ma scout in countrues head of unctad doesnt know (eg round south asia)
MA4 15 billion dollar investment in worldwide DAMO academy of IR4 technologies including AI- ones most impacting world to 2025 -keeping open rather than us race to patent-scouts include jerry yang- the world economic forum is a key partner in IR4 and its also related to how chinese government analyses lead tech sectors to 2025- ie china maps to be world tech leader by 2025
M4a nb mostofa attend varney summit where elearning was discussed for refugees- china is ahead on edutech in so many ways -eg instead of amazon alexis it is getting teacher assistants into classrooms- as jack says these know facts more than teachers- this is why examining children on facts is retarding them from future
M4b Jack is also on the un eminent committee and on grordon browns’ education commission – while the commission’s 30 national leaders nit officially connected with UN- brown is un envoy for education
MA5 Ying Lowrey also connects many partnerships within Tsinghua main public servant training university- gateway to beoijing startup hib linked with all supercities
MA6 Jack also chairs busininss men club of billionaires who want their market to sustain china- it is posible to go tjrough with yig rfeview every market futures purspoe maximise to poverty aleviation
MA7 Jack has said from olympics on he will focus on taking education as the main challenge- unless we take education outside classroom more than half of youith both unemployable and not aliogned to being the sustainability generation

Jack has many framgmeetd education charities- including those working in Taobao village education – also one of his obscure foundations a sponsor of wise at Beijing
>Most summers jack organizes a summit in Hangzhou where people like jim kim tirn up regulary – 2017 womens empowerment – 2016 philanthopy or social business- in october world bank issue its main 2018 report - chosen theme livelihoods
In 2017 China had 5 million startup- many were associated with the 3 main ecosystems Alibaba , tencent, baidu- all ecosystems expected to brief jinping -usually there is annual meeting at tsinghua where public servants meet tech and other business leaders
Jinping asked jack to host the china G20 hangzhou- jack spent lot of time with relevant citizen group – women youth sme green finance- these get reactivated when g20 host interested – germany wasnt- we assume franciscan argentina this november is; we assume japan is and part of road to Olympics and anyhow japan remains Alibaba founding investor
Canada has been one of the movers of g20 and trudeau has partnered jack a lot – one reason why jack and trudeau demonstrate 3000 person one day training masterclass MAY 2019 deadline update 100 nations collaboration Belt Road 2 -China wished to understand which clusters of nations want to partner on which sustainability goals- jack is a leading scout of this- his big advantage is big data anayusis applied to small enterprise and redesigning value chains- it would seem that ma, gates and brac are all watching for national partners in big data small -one of the lose ends is Nilekani billion person identity- we need help from tech experts to understand what Alibaba owns that can be key – eg in south asia it still owns the most common type of browser uses cheaper mobiles- in china jack’s fintech and ecommerce keeps ahead on g5 or most advance digital infrastructure- bkash is an interesting blend being targeted at mpt3 and 2?- please note we need to understand how the world’s greatest fintech experts at ant finance and bkash interface with all of jack ma’s and brac partners other interests

World Record Book of Jobs Creation - chapter 1 version 7.18

Thank you to the world's greatest job creators Sir Fazle and Jma- and the greatest conflict resolution mapmakers Xi Jinping, Antonio Guterres and Pope Francis
For the quarter of the world's population living in s asia, job creating independence has been a long time coming.

In 1860 , James Wilson's intervention laster less than a year - the founder of the economist dying from lack of oralk reydratiion; gandhi's 40 year attempt 1906-1946 ended with his assassination

Bangladesh' 46 year progress now depends mainly on friends and alumni of Sir Fazle Abed- the greatest livelihood creator for the world's poorest women; fortunately brac's story is an exponential rising game of two halves- to 1996 having no electricity or anything other than person to person community building to 1996; selectively choosing the best digital partners from 1996 as brac became understood as the world's most collaborative ngo provided you really wanted to innovate solutions that integrated the ultra poorest or indeed those at ultra risk from personal or nature's safety

Over the same period China has also seen corresponding exponential development. But with the huge difference- as early as 1972 the chinese diaspora were the 3rd strongest financial network in the world; they were delighted to inward invest by replicating the win-win trading ways they had already proven across superport islands like HK
singapore, taiwan

1966 Bangladesh sort of became a leapfrog pilot test for China which quickly offered order of magnitude m,ore funding to mobile telecoms and mirosolar. But still it wasnt until 2008 that China fully trusted 3 mega internet ecosystems the BAT (story 2008 - story 2018 china and bangla marry their greatest human tech innovators of girl end poverty)

Up to moon landing, opportunities to innovate were unvenly distributed geographically- eg up to half of the world's peoples had no access to electricity grids
Practical Innovators : value train trasnsformation empowering small eneterprises and community Jobs Creation
In 2018 Jack Ma first took 20% share of Sir Fazle's Bkash part of the world's largest NGO BRAC
Sir Fazle Abed had been job creating for the poorest villagers in Bangladesh (without electricity or other grids : roads, water, telecoms) since 1972 redesigning such markets as finance, agricultural produce, health, education, crafts ; from 1996 he had slowly started to attract some of the greatest tech partners bringing digital connectivity through combination of mobile telecoms and micro solarpower. 1999 brought a university and the start of strategic partners in selected nations worldwide rsvp wanted co-editors of the world record book of jobs creators- you should love travel guides

and be curious why jobs creation not in compass of Guiness Book of records -more it helps to have youth's love other peoples nations/cultures/arts = Olympics spirit

these are the most exciting times to be alive.............................

homethe world's most valuable lessonwhy bat isn't fag world record jobs creatorswrjc sir fazle abedaudrey cheng and girls who codewrjc jack mawrjc xi jinpingwrjc pope francisdoes your nation understand belt road mapping



links: WRJC E4 Moza: WISE@ (related E2 Sir Fazle E7 Mahbubani W6 Macron W2 Guterres E10 Pres Ghana)
WRJC E3 MA OPEN: Gateway17; DamoCity HanG20 MaOlymics 1 2 .

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China has 20 neighbors and near neighbors so we map world record jobs creators along its win-win trading happily help educators (or congress) in any place translate maps their communities can explore- hwats a map worth 1

(cities inside) China- : NEWS :NorthEastWestSouth

North 3aPolar Belt & Russia NE; 3b Polar Belt (Mongolia) Russia 3c Polar Belt Nordica 3d Landlocked NW neighbors including SCO members

East 1a-greater bay HK*Cross-straits Taiwan 1b Korea*Japan; China 6a bering st alaska-canada-w.coast usa; 10a Mexico & Central am 10b panama , 6b texas, florida, caribbean 6c other us states 10c other latin america inclding Brazil BRICS

W 7a ws China-pakistan-Gulf suez-9a djibouti-ethiopia=egypt 9b kenya .. 9c more africa-eg s africa brics
8 to med sea 7b landlocked w asia4/5 Europe E/W eg China Express

South 1c AseanLandbridge*Asean Pacific 2a China-India-Brics S2b China-India-east-Bangladesh-Asean S2C China India-West (eg pakistan towards gulf)

vote for favorite interviews of world's top job creator -: 1
g20 student union ; curricula of 17 goals ; rough links 2 list

Saturday, March 31, 2018

what are alicasts?

in search of alicasts
example 1


AliCast from Alizila


November 20, 2017
AliCast from Alizila
Cindy Chow, executive director of the HK$1 billion Hong Kong Entrepreneurs Fund Jack Ma founded in 2015 discusses some of the Fund's flagship programs, such as the Jumpstarter competition, its successes and what lies ahead.
Below is a full transcript of our AliCast with Alibaba Hong Kong Entrepreneur Fund Executive Director Cindy Chow.
Jenny Hsu: Time for AliCast, a deep dive into innovative and emergent trends in e-commerce, online payments and digital entertainment. Brought to you by Alibaba Group, we’ll offer insights about Chinese consumers and brands doing business in China. We’ll delve into global online retail, big data, and other must-know topics and issues in and around one of China’s largest companies.
Hello everyone, this is Jenny from Alizila. I’m sitting here today with Cindy Chow, the executive director of Alibaba’s Hong Kong Entrepreneurs Fund. She’s here to share with us more about the fund and to give us a sneak preview to exciting event in Hong Kong. Hey Cindy, good morning.
Cindy Chow: Hi, good morning, Jenny.
Jenny Hsu: Thank you so much for being here. So let’s start with a brief introduction of the Hong Kong Entrepreneurs Fund. Can you tell us more about it and why it was established?
Cindy Chow: This fund was announced by Jack when he was in Hong Kong back in March 2015, when he was addressing a big group of young people. 
 At that time, he wanted to do something for Hong Kong. In particular, for the Hong Kong younger generation. So he announced the establishment of this fund, and we officially launched it in November 2015 in a big press conference.
The objective of this fund is really to make use of the money that is the one billion Hong Kong dollars that Alibaba group pledged to help young people to realize their dreams. So we have two major programs right now. One is the investment program, which we invest directly into startups in Hong Kong, or we call it the Hong Kong Nexus. And the second is the internship program, so each year we support students to intern within Alibaba Group over six months.
Jenny Hsu: Cindy, so tell us more about how you got involved in this project.
Cindy Chow: Well, I’ve been with Alibaba for 10 years, and my role was always on the finance side. So, when Jack announced this fund, I was helping to sell up the fund to explore what kind of structure we have to put in, etc. 
 And they were looking for someone to run this fund. And what they wanted was someone with experience with Alibaba, because in Alibaba, we emphasize so much about our values and our mission. So, and I thought, well why don’t I try? Because this is such a meaningful thing and especially for someone from Hong Kong. 
So, I really want to do something that I can contribute back to the society. I am indeed very grateful that the management trusts me and gave me this job.
Jenny Hsu: As you mentioned, the fund is to promote entrepreneurship in Hong Kong. So, can you tell us a little bit more about the startup scene here in Hong Kong right now?
Cindy Chow: I think there is really a very good traction for the last 12 months. When I picked up the job of this fund, I saw not many VCs, or not many investors around. So, naturally you won’t be able to see so many startups. But recently with the concerted efforts by the government and by private sector like ourselves and also other corporates, we see more investors. And maybe that is also the reason why we also see most startups around in Hong Kong. Whether they are from Hong Kong, Hong Kong-grown entrepreneurs, or entrepreneurs from overseas, but starting their own business in Hong Kong.
Jenny Hsu: I understand that we actually have a very exciting event. So, can you tell us more about it?
Cindy Chow: Yeah, it’s the Jumpstarter event, and so this is a big program which we co-organized with Cyberport and Science Park, the two largest incubators in Hong Kong backed by the government. And since May we have already done a number of semi-final pitches covering different sectors, from FinTech, robotics, e-commerce. So, and in each semi-final pitch, we selected three finalist to go into the grand finale, where we will pick up the top three teams. And each team, our fund has the commitment to invest up to $1 million US per team.
Jenny Hsu: Tell us more about it.
Cindy Chow: We have a lot things besides the pitching. We also have the showcases from the finalists, and we also have lined up a number of different talks from very heavyweight speakers, and of course, the highlights will be a fireside chat between Jack and also our chief executive, Mrs. Carrie Lam.
Jenny Hsu: Will these entrepreneurs have a chance to also listen to Jack Ma and interact with him?
Cindy Chow: Of course, yes. So it will be held in the Convention and Exhibition Center, so it’s going to be a very big turnout. And yeah, they will all be able to hear from Jack and also Carrie.
Jenny Hsu: I know you’ve been preparing really hard for this event for many, many months now. What has the experience been like for you as you get to know these entrepreneurs?
Cindy Chow: Well I guess I am seeing more positive signs. I’m really happy to see what is happening to Hong Kong currently. I see entrepreneurs from other places in the world, they get to come to Hong Kong and establish their business. I believe that this is partly because of all the efforts by the government to promote entrepreneurship. And they have a lot of different programs which help these overseas companies to kickstart in Hong Kong. 
 But it’s also for homegrown companies as well. And I’m seeing a lot of younger generation, younger people. They are telling me that when they graduate, they would like to explore working for a startup as well. So, I am seeing a lot of positive sides, and I hope that this can get even more robust.
Jenny Hsu: Fostering the next generation of business leaders is a very important and core mission of Alibaba. Can you tell us why that is? And what are some of the other projects that we can expect from the Hong Kong Entrepreneurs Fund in the future?
Cindy Chow: We will continue to focus on helping to boost up the entrepreneurship spirits in Hong Kong by investing into startups and also by nurturing talent. To talk a bit more about the investments, so, for Jumpstarter, even though we’re picking only three winners, we will also be looking on following up with other finalists. Because there are also very good companies within the 24 finalists. So, perhaps maybe our fund will also invest in one or two of them. And also, we will also see how to help the portfolio companies, that means the companies that we invested in. How to help them grow further by tapping into the Alibaba ecosystem. Or by helping them to raise their profile in other places to expand their market reach.
Jenny Hsu: Right, so just because you’re not one of the finalists, well, don’t be dismayed, Alibaba might still be willing to support you in your future endeavors, right?
Cindy Chow: Definitely, sure.
Jenny Hsu: Thank you so much for spending time with us and telling us about the fund. Sounds like there’ll be a lot of exciting events coming up in the future. Good luck and we’ll talk to you another time.
Cindy Chow: Thanks, Jenny.
Jenny Hsua: You’ve been listening to AliCast, a regular podcast from the Alibaba group. Thanks for tuning in, I’m Jenny Hsu.

example 2
AliHealth Vice President Ma Li highlights innovative programs and initiatives that the Alibaba unit employs to make it easier for doctors and patients to communicate and to help secure the supply chain for pharmaceuticals in China.

Below is a full transcript of our AliCast with AliHealth’s Ma Li.
Adam Najberg: Time now for AliCast, a deep dive into innovative and emerging trends in e-commerce, online payments and digital entertainment, brought to you by Alibaba Group. We’ll offer insights about Chinese consumers and brands doing business in China. We’ll delve into global online retail, cloud computing, big data and other must know topics and issues in and around one of China’s largest companies. I’m Adam Najberg.
Like nearly everything else in China, the country’s healthcare system is massive. China achieved universal healthcare for its population of 1.3 billion in 2011, but keeping the system going is a challenge. With the bulk of China’s population still in rural villages, how do patients get access to doctors at tier one urban hospitals? How can you ensure the medicine you’re buying is authentic or still good? That’s where companies like AliHealth come in. I spoke with its vice president Ma Li recently about these and other issues, and what kinds of solutions AliHealth provides.
So, what is AliHealth?
Ma Li: AliHealth is a Hong Kong-listed company and is part of the Alibaba group. Its major business is focusing on healthcare. And Jack Ma announced the double H strategy, so we are one of the double H.
Adam Najberg: What are the double H’s?
Ma Li: Double H’s are health and happiness. So, these two H’s represent the new strategic focus of Alibaba Group.
Adam Najberg: Could you talk to a little bit of the history of AliHealth as you know it?
Ma Li: I remember in 2015, Alibaba Group invested in a company, which is called 21st Century. At that time, 21st Century, this company is already Hong Kong-listed, and its major business is for China medicine-tracking system. In Alibaba group, we think this company is very interesting because it has a lot of insights in China medicine production and distribution, all the way to who is using what medicine. This kind of thing. And so, we can use this platform to improve the efficiency of the industry. So I think, that’s the background logic, why Alibaba invested in this company.
Adam Najberg: At the base of every company is usually, it starts with the question of what problem are we trying to solve? So, what problem is AliHealth trying to solve?
Ma Li: We just talk about the Double-H strategy. That said, we are trying to improve the whole healthcare system. To improve that, to offer better, safe, effective services to the whole population. So, you can say that’s the vision we’re trying to solve. It’s not just about doing some e-commerce or healthcare product, right? It’s broader. We are doing e-commerce, we’re doing healthcare services, and also health management, so it’s full blown, the scope is broader.
Adam Najberg: No, that’s fine. So, when you talk about the full-blown mission that you’re carrying out. Let’s take something like authenticity of medicine. Sometimes that’s not something you can take for granted in a country like China. But overall, you have systems in place that are making, not just more-efficient but safer as well, is that right?
Ma Li: Exactly, exactly. So, with the tracking system, we not only can know who produced the product, when it’s off the production line and who distribute it. The first-tier, second-tier, third-tier distributor, and all the way to the end channel. We hope using that system we can help the whole system to have a safer product. And also we can use it to a lot of other things, for example, using it as a channel to connect the pharma companies with the end user. 
 There’s a lot of like the patient’s education, all the information transferring, and interactive things can happen between these two ends.
Adam Najberg: Could you break this down for me a little bit? It feels like for everything that a consumer might want, need, or think about, Jack Ma and Alibaba Group have a product or a service or a platform. Can you talk about the platform here, how does all of what you just described happen? So, let’s say I am a seller of medicine, how do I get involved with AliHealth?
Ma Li: So I just mentioned that we’re building a platform of e-commerce for healthcare products. That’s the first part. And the second part is healthcare services. In the third one, of course, we have our own tracking code. And we call it Mashang Fangxin (“Be Right at Ease”) in Chinese, which means that with a cold you have a peace of mind.
Adam Najberg: That’s a great name, Mashang Fangxin. Yeah, I like it.
Ma Li: Yeah, exactly, and the fourth part is our healthcare-management platform. With these four pillars, we have our full-blown business scope. So, to your question just now that, how a pharma company can get involved in our platform, there are different ways. Of course, we work with pharma companies to promote their disease knowledge. And if they are doing over-the-counter, because there are some regulatory barrier there. But if they are doing nutrition, medical device, TCM, traditional Chinese medicine, or OTC products, we can help them to promote their brand or their product. And also, we can help them to understand their users better.
Adam Najberg: Is that done with data like on other Alibaba platforms?
Ma Li: Of course, we protect the privacy of the user, but in different ways, we can give them some interesting observations. Like what kind of consumers have different behaviors, like different sex, different age, different geography distribution, they care what kind of topic. For example, we did some analysis in different cities, who’ll care more about certain healthcare topics.
Adam Najberg: So, it’s kind of like high-level marketing and also demographic information for the sellers, so that they have some kind of insight into how to position themselves, right?
Ma Li: Yeah, you can understand it that way, but more importantly, I think we position as serving our users as our first priority. Because, you know, right now, some people are still thinking that we are just an e-commerce platform. Like, you know, I go there to purchase some product.
Adam Najberg: Right, very transactional, buy, sell.
Ma Li: Right, right, but what we’re trying to do is healthcare, which is very different from selling other products.
Adam Najberg: How is it different?
Ma Li: Yeah for example, if you purchase a cell phone, your purpose is to get a cell phone and plug in and make phone calls. That’s it, right? But if you purchase a box of medicine, your purpose is not to open it up and take the pill. Your purpose is to cure your disease, right? So, that said, sounds like it’s a trivial difference but trust me.
Adam Najberg: No, no, not at all. It sounds very personal. You’re putting something in your body, right?
Ma Li: Yeah, and it’s a very significant difference, because we have to provide a lot of professional services around that. That is not the only transaction, right? We have thousands of doctors working with us to provide consultation online. So, when a consumer, they have some questions regarding a product or regarding to their own symptom, we can provide quick consultation services. That said, we can help them to give them guidelines on what you should take, or you should not take. That is very different from just a normal consumer goods commercial.
Adam Najberg: So, if I’m an AliHealth customer, then what I can expect is, yes I can buy what I want to buy, but I can also learn about it. I can educate myself about it, I can hear about it from professionals, and I also can be pretty guaranteed that this is an authentic safe product as well.
Ma Li: Exactly, exactly. And we are thinking about launching a new product called “Help You Choose.” Because for healthcare products, it’s not very transparent to the consumers. When consumers purchase a cell phone, they know what brand, what type, right? They purchase, they understand the product, but for healthcare product they may not understand.
Adam Najberg: So, you’ve mentioned a couple of key initiatives that you have going or are thinking about now. How are you doing on your mission? I know that Alibaba has a timeline for business units. How are you feeling right now in your initiatives?
Ma Li: Yeah, we are progressing very fast. For example, the e-commerce platform I just mentioned, we are the largest healthcare e-commerce platform in China, taking about 60% to 70% of the market share, the largest, yes. And we’re not only looking at a scale, but as I mentioned that we are thinking about how to enrich our services, knowledge, information to help our consumers better in this particular vertical sector. And secondly, we work with the regular pharmacy to form an online-to-offline regular pharmacy pilot project. The logic that we try to explore New Retail in healthcare products. So, as I said, the selling of a healthcare product is not only a transactional thing, right? Not just sell it and that’s it, but there are a lot of services around it. And when a consumer walks into a regular pharmacy, there are a lot of services we can provide. And online tools can empower your regular pharmacy to do it better.
Adam Najberg: Could you give me an example? For the online, I can envision that. It’s basically going to a website and there are buttons or things I can pick, I can have a doctor consult with me. But now I walk into a pharmacy and I have to say, Alibaba is now getting known for new retail in different areas. I didn’t realize it was reaching into AliHealth as well, so I’m very interested in hearing how that works.
Ma Li: As an example that in the regular pharmacy, you can build in some blood pressure-testing machine, right? And you can provide it as a service to the elderly who cannot use a cell phone or to use the smart device to do it. 
 And that person-to-person interaction can improve the stickiness to attract more consumers to the regular pharmacy. At the same time, because you provide those kinds of service, you can test all those, blood pressure, blood sugar. And also you give them advice on what kind of product you should take or should not take. 
So these kind of services can give the consumers a well-rounded service package.
Another example is that when you have a child, and he has a fever, for example, you can not wait for three days to wait for the product to be delivered through B2C platform, right? So, we work with the alliance, the regular pharmacy which is close by you. And the way you place the order online, the product can be sent within one hour to your home. So that is how the online offline can work together.
Adam Najberg: Part of this is on one hand, you sign up customers to purchase with the platform. You also sign up vendors, sell them the platform, but then you’re going out and you’re looking for off line pharmacies that are willing to participate in this system. And in fact, what you’re describing goes way beyond transactional. Sounds more like you’re trying to use AliHealth as a way to make itself a touch point in China’s medical system. Is that right?
Ma Li: Yeah, you can think of that way. Another example would be that, I’m not sure whether you’ve heard about one of the healthcare reform initiatives called the coupling of medical service and prescription. There’s a trend that medicine products, mostly before, were channeled from healthcare institutions, but they’re now moving to the regular pharmacies. How can we take that law to serve the consumers better? For example, a consumer goes to hospital to see the doctor, and then they need prescription drugs. Whether they can get the drug from a regular pharmacy close to their home or close to their offices, not purchased from the hospital. That needs a whole system to support that.
Adam Najberg: Could you actually step us back even a little bit further and explain to our listeners. How does China’s medical system work? And I imagine yes, it’s one system, but you also have very large tier-one cities, you have tier-two cities, and you also have a gigantic rural population in China. So could you talk about the health system? Just generally, what does it look like and how does it work?
Ma Li: In China, totally, I think there’s about 20,000 hospitals, and of course there are many primary institutions.
Adam Najberg: So primary care comprises a part of that 20,000?
Ma Li: No, outside of these 20,000 hospitals there are many like the village clinics or community healthcare centers like those, there are many. And within this 20,000 about 2,000 are class-three hospitals, and then class-two hospitals and class-one hospitals. Class-three hospitals are the largest and most of them are located in big cities. As you said, a lot of rural areas, they lack sophisticated doctors at institutions. So that is the one major issue. The resources are not balanced. The second thing is that, overall, the healthcare input in China is not sufficient. Compared to US, the healthcare expenditure out of GDP is, I don’t know, 15%, 17%, but in China it’s about 5%, 6%.
Adam Najberg: But is everyone covered in China?
Ma Li: Yeah, well, you can say 90% of people are covered but-
Adam Najberg: So, I have a cut on my hand. I can walk into a primary care physician and get treated?
Ma Li: Right.
Adam Najberg: Under national health?
Ma Li: Right, national health has broad coverage, but not deep coverage. So, the purpose is to make sure everybody has the basic service covered. But, if you have the means to better service, if you will, like more expensive drugs or better doctors, or something, you’re not covered as well as in other countries.
Adam Najberg: So, what do people do? Are they covered at all, or is there a burgeoning private insurance industry that’s cropping up in China or how does it work?
Ma Li: Private insurance is emerging. People are seeing a very steep growth rate these past few years. But still, it only maybe accounts for less than 10% of the total market.
Adam Najberg: As mostly supplementary, I would imagine, right?
Ma Li: Exactly, exactly.
Adam Najberg: If we could go back to your example, you talked at little bit about some of the areas of China are lacking the same services as in a big city. What’s the challenge there? Let’s say you’re in a village, you have an elderly person or a child who’s injured. I’m sure there are primary care doctors there, right?
Ma Li: Well, you call it primary doctors, but most of them are not as educated as compared to the US. So that’s one other initiative, that China’s government is trying to train primary care doctors. One of the risk factors of the China healthcare system is very weak primary doctors. We have big hospitals and sophisticated doctors, which may be comparable to U.S. doctors, but for the basic layer, the primary care, it’s very weak
Adam Najberg: So, how does AliHealth fit into this equation? If you take that rural example, how does it work? So, let’s say the doctor diagnoses something. You need a drug for this or some medicine for this. Is it readily available there, or at what point do you get involved as AliHealth, in that kind of primary rural healthcare situation.
Ma Li: What we do first in healthcare services, one challenge people really get is my doctor in county hospital says it may be cancer. So, that’s very threatening, but whether it’s really cancer or, maybe it’s just a nodule in the lung. So, I do need a better doctor to have a second opinion. Usually, what people do is to take the train to go to Beijing and Shanghai, to wait four nights to get a registration to a doctor and get a second opinion. What we are trying to do is we provide online services. So right now, I just mentioned that we have thousands of doctors working with us.
And among them, there are quite some class-three doctors in class-three hospitals. Their experiences are sophisticated enough, and they can answer questions. People can even submit their exam results, like blood or urine. Simple results, and also what my local doctor says and get a second opinion.
Adam Najberg: Is that free? Is that a paid service?
Ma Li: Our online consultation has different layers. Most of them, I would say, are free, and you can get them in 30 seconds. We guarantee that. But for doctors in class-three hospitals, they are more experienced and they have less time, so their services are charged.
Adam Najberg: Right, so if we keep following this through, now we’re in Beijing, and someone needs something. They need a diagnosis or a further explanation of a condition that they have. Maybe they live in the outskirts of Beijing, not near a hospital, they’re elderly. How can you help? Is it different in a rural situation?
Ma Li: Yeah, of course This is easier, compared to a rural area people. But what we do is, as I mentioned, the online consultation. The other thing we’re trying to do is to work with the healthcare institutions to build the tertiary medical service system. Like they can build referral mechanism, and we also help class-three hospital doctors give advice or guidance to the lower-tier doctors.
And when a lower-tier doctor has some difficulty, or this disease I cannot diagnose or I cannot treat, they can send the patients to the class-three hospitals. At least, the patients, for example, if they need surgery they have to go, right? But at least these patients do not need to wait in line four nights to get registration. 
And also, they can have very targeted doctors because the local doctors says this doctor is already an expert in treating your problems. So, we are using the Internet-based mechanism to help different layers of healthcare institutions to build a collaboration mechanism.
Adam Najberg: You’ve been listening to AliCast, a regular podcast from the Alibaba Group. Thanks for tuning in. I’m Adam Najberg.